and i think one of the best things about barack obama being elected president is that now you can turn to a black child and say you really can be president. >> but do you really want to? [laughter] no thanks, we don't want that job. >> one of the ways to oppress somebody is to get them to oppress themselves. >> right. >> so freeing these images in the media from stereotypes is about freeing people from the shackles on their own imagination. >> it's interesting how obama himself has become a one man cultural war just by being who he is. not just what he durksz who he is. as you mentioned, it seems like we have abortion rights, cob that sense -- contraception, and yet we have the pretty strong advance of marriage equality and gay rights. can you kind of speak to that? what's going on there? >> i think it would be the other way around. >> yes. >> really, really good question. and so as we know, hardly anyone believed in gay marriage ten years ago, and now there's significant majority support in pretty much every community accept among white evangelical conservative christians. and where w